Nathan on The 80,000 Hours Podcast: AI Scouting, OpenAI's Safety Record, and Redteaming

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In today's conversation, Nathan joins Rob Wiblin, host of the @eightythousandhours Podcast to discuss why we need more AI scouts, OpenAI's safety record, and redteaming frontier models. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

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LINKS:
80,000 Hours Episode Show Notes: https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/nathan-labenz-openai-red-team-safety/

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00:00) - Episode Preview
(00:05:12) - Rob’s intro
(00:10:50) - Interview begins
(00:15:50) - Intro toThe Cognitive Revolution excerpt
(00:19:13) - Excerpt from The Cognitive Revolution: Nathan’s narrative
(01:22:10) - Why it’s hard to imagine a much better game board
(01:28:14) - What OpenAI has been doing right
(01:40:12) - Arms racing and China
(01:46:10) - OpenAI’s single-minded focus on AGI
(01:56:55) - Transparency about capabilities
(02:05:56) - Benefits of releasing models
(02:17:14) - Was it ok to release GPT-4?
(02:35:31) - Why no statement from the OpenAI board
(02:55:59) - Ezra Klein on the OpenAI story
(03:16:59) - The upside of AI merits taking some risk
(03:31:44) - Meta and open source
(03:42:26) - Nathan’s journey into the AI world
(03:48:18) - Rob’s outro